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	<title>Comments on: Erin Pizzey Speaks Out: a history of the women&#8217;s shelter movement by the original founder &#8211; Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: PRIMEx420</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2866</link>
		<dc:creator>PRIMEx420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;bullshit... &quot;defend ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; bullshit... &quot;defend&quot; doesn&#039;t have to mean hit back. you can put someone in an ineffective position and hold them until they calm down</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>bullshit&#8230; &#8220;defend &#8230;</b> <br /> bullshit&#8230; &#8220;defend&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have to mean hit back. you can put someone in an ineffective position and hold them until they calm down</p>
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		<title>By: PRIMEx420</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2864</link>
		<dc:creator>PRIMEx420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;you&#039;re allowed to ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; you&#039;re allowed to defend yourself against attackers, regardless of gender. if all you do is hold her in such a way that doesn&#039;t even leave marks, it&#039;s going to be very hard to prosecute you for anything. and you&#039;re right, not all men are skilled enough to do that effectively... that&#039;s why i used the word LEARN... ffs how can you feel at all masculine if you can&#039;t even defend yourself against an untrained female (if your gf or wife is a cage fighter, that&#039;s different :)  )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>you&#8217;re allowed to &#8230;</b> <br /> you&#8217;re allowed to defend yourself against attackers, regardless of gender. if all you do is hold her in such a way that doesn&#8217;t even leave marks, it&#8217;s going to be very hard to prosecute you for anything. and you&#8217;re right, not all men are skilled enough to do that effectively&#8230; that&#8217;s why i used the word LEARN&#8230; ffs how can you feel at all masculine if you can&#8217;t even defend yourself against an untrained female (if your gf or wife is a cage fighter, that&#8217;s different <img src='http://www.menagainstrape.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   )</p>
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		<title>By: St37One</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2865</link>
		<dc:creator>St37One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;You are not allowed ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; You are not allowed to use your force to restrain a woman against her will.
that is considered &quot;abuse.&quot;
Not all men are strong or skilled enough to do that effectively anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>You are not allowed &#8230;</b> <br /> You are not allowed to use your force to restrain a woman against her will.<br />
that is considered &#8220;abuse.&#8221;<br />
Not all men are strong or skilled enough to do that effectively anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: St37One</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2861</link>
		<dc:creator>St37One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I am supposed to &quot; ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; I am supposed to &quot;go away&quot; as you are the one typing on my video.
LOL
So I take it that you want to have the last word. whatever.
The truth is, that you can be charged you without any real evidence of injury that you caused, and without any physical evidence period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I am supposed to &#8221; &#8230;</b> <br /> I am supposed to &#8220;go away&#8221; as you are the one typing on my video.<br />
LOL<br />
So I take it that you want to have the last word. whatever.<br />
The truth is, that you can be charged you without any real evidence of injury that you caused, and without any physical evidence period.</p>
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		<title>By: PRIMEx420</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>PRIMEx420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;if your wife calls ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; if your wife calls the cops, saying that you held her down after she tried to strike you, and the cops see affects of impact on your body and not hers, she&#039;s going to jail. if your wife calls the cops, lying that you hit her, and the cops still find affects of impact on YOUR body only, you might go to jail, overnight, but they won&#039;t be able to charge you with anything. there is no way to get around lack of evidence... if a guy hits a woman, there has to be major tissue damage. the end. go away</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>if your wife calls &#8230;</b> <br /> if your wife calls the cops, saying that you held her down after she tried to strike you, and the cops see affects of impact on your body and not hers, she&#8217;s going to jail. if your wife calls the cops, lying that you hit her, and the cops still find affects of impact on YOUR body only, you might go to jail, overnight, but they won&#8217;t be able to charge you with anything. there is no way to get around lack of evidence&#8230; if a guy hits a woman, there has to be major tissue damage. the end. go away</p>
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		<title>By: St37One</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>St37One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Yes, of course you ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; Yes, of course you are allowed to defend yourself against male or female attackers.
But not if you are known to have been intimate with them in the past.
Domestic violence is treated very differently by the court system.

Radical lesbian feminist man haters, and phony macho chivalrous conservative men make strange bed fellows. But those are the people who work so hard together to persecute average men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Yes, of course you &#8230;</b> <br /> Yes, of course you are allowed to defend yourself against male or female attackers.<br />
But not if you are known to have been intimate with them in the past.<br />
Domestic violence is treated very differently by the court system.</p>
<p>Radical lesbian feminist man haters, and phony macho chivalrous conservative men make strange bed fellows. But those are the people who work so hard together to persecute average men.</p>
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		<title>By: sirskeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>sirskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;LOL- I just ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; LOL- I just finished reading the Canadian Legal Primer for police: &quot;Identifying Predominant Aggressors in Domestic Violence Cases&quot; - from their govt web site. It gives 10 scenarios, which include a man restraining a violent partner.
It states that the police MUST arrest the male in all cases.

Once you are in jail, your kids have no protection from this violent spouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>LOL- I just &#8230;</b> <br /> LOL- I just finished reading the Canadian Legal Primer for police: &#8220;Identifying Predominant Aggressors in Domestic Violence Cases&#8221; &#8211; from their govt web site. It gives 10 scenarios, which include a man restraining a violent partner.<br />
It states that the police MUST arrest the male in all cases.</p>
<p>Once you are in jail, your kids have no protection from this violent spouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Gogonostop</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2859</link>
		<dc:creator>Gogonostop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Most certainly.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; Most certainly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Most certainly.</b> <br /> Most certainly.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth0rDeath</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2860</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth0rDeath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Now this here is a ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; Now this here is a real &quot;Lady.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Now this here is a &#8230;</b> <br /> Now this here is a real &#8220;Lady.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: St37One</title>
		<link>http://www.menagainstrape.org/domestic-violence-history/erin-pizzey-speaks-out-a-history-of-the-womens-shelter-movement-by-the-original-founder-part-2/comment-page-1#comment-2855</link>
		<dc:creator>St37One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;if you have changed ...&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt; if you have changed your mind about debating me because you either no longer care about this issue, or dont have time, or both, then all you need to do is say so.
But I dont buy the pretense that you have changed your mind merely because you now assume that I am an unworthy opponent.
More likely, you dont think that you can win without resorting to cheap adhominems, and you are affraid to lose.
Since you can use any meaningless excuse that you want to, dont bother offering one.
You quit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>if you have changed &#8230;</b> <br /> if you have changed your mind about debating me because you either no longer care about this issue, or dont have time, or both, then all you need to do is say so.<br />
But I dont buy the pretense that you have changed your mind merely because you now assume that I am an unworthy opponent.<br />
More likely, you dont think that you can win without resorting to cheap adhominems, and you are affraid to lose.<br />
Since you can use any meaningless excuse that you want to, dont bother offering one.<br />
You quit!</p>
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